I dont care if you think i'm wrong one in this just wanna know what u think about it ...its a fight that hapened between me and a friend and i wanted to post it ....if you watch her and read one of her recent journals then u'll know about this fight.....
Note: each time there is a LARGE gap that is when the person who is speaking changes.
Note II: we had a fight 3 or so days before this one
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Her Journal:
In the words of Wanda Sykes in Monster-In-Law: "I'm sick. sick, sick, sick. And when I'm not sick, I'm tired. I'm sick and tired of your sh--."
This is the second time I'm telling you guys, PLEASE!!! STOP GIVING ME ONE WORD COMMENTS!!!!
I HATE THEM!
I hate one word comments. For cried sakes!! Do you guys really think that "lol." is an appropriate comment to leave on a piece of art worked so hard on?!
Listen, I work hours upon hours on every single one of my pieces, EVERY SINGLE ONE!! Unless I specify otherwise.
WHY is it that I keep getting such cheap comments the harder I work?!
I don't care if you're on my specials list, that gives you NO EXCUSE!! As a matter of fact, if you're on my specials list, you should KNOW how much I hate them.
I sit day after day, deviation after deviation, comment after comment getting more and more angry from being given such unthought out comments. Why is it so hard to type up what you like about the picture?
"Nice"....
"Cool"
"Kawaii!"
"That's good!"
Okay, what makes it such a "Nice" picture? Is it the color scheme? Poses? Expressions? The idea in itself? The way I drew it? The angle? Is it unique? Is it comedic? How about some critique?
NO. I never get any of this, with exception of a few VERY VERY nice people who actually take the time to type up some pretty sweet comments that, up until now, have kept me at bay. Thanks to you select few<3
Art is the way I express myself. Whether it's funny, sad, dramatic, happy, cutesy, mean, WHATEVER....I am expressing my visions, my ideas, my feelings, my VOICE.
Does anyone know how it feels to not be heard?! When people leave me shitty comments like that, it feels like they don't get me. Like they don't even know what's going on. They're just saying stuff because they feel obligated or they want to be nice.
I'D RATHER GET ONE AWESOME COMMENT THAN 100 "NICE" ONES
This is on all accounts ANNOYING, that I even have to tell you people how to leave a decent comment.
That's all I have to say. You know who you one-worders are.
If I'm a real bitch next time (If there is a next time) I'll start shouting people out ^_~
(end of journal)
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ME:
...Ok, Bianca.... I agree about the "one-word" comments....They are kind of rude, and it shows that the people don't care too much about your, mine or anyone else’s art. But to be completely honest.... at lest you get them..... I work hard to on ALL of MY pictures as well. But you don’t see me complain when I DON’T get comments. Yet you have the nerve to complain when you get “one-word” comments.
....Furthermore you complain when you get comments that don’t give criticism, and you complain when you get comments that actually HELP. But no, you seem to NOTto want criticism. You want praise....someone to pick out each thing you find most attractive in your picture. Art isn’t always flowers and candy, you take what you get like it or not.
.... An artist should take on all comment, both good and bad.
BTW.... I’m sorry if this rude <3
Her:
I'd rather get no comments than have to waste my time emptying my message box of shit ones
And you know what? That's your problem. You can accept those one-word comments all you want, but I'm not having it. I KNOW in my heart I deserve more. I work too hard. WAY too hard.
Errors usually don't get by me, and if they do, I've attempted to correct them too many times, so I just gave up.
You know that FLCL picture? My most recent one? I've completely drawn it over, TWICE. The first one didn't capture my vision, so I started over. That ment that the WHOLE DAY I spent sketching the first one went to waste because it wasn't want I was thinking. So I spent a whole other day sketching another one. 2 WHOLE DAYS dedicated to one simple picture.
"Good" isn't "good" enough of a comment for that.
Like I've said before, I'd rather get no comments than "nice" ones. So don't go preaching to me about "At least you get them"
I don't complain about that. I was just saying that criticism would be nice if you can't think of anything. I'm not ranting and yelling "NOT ONE GIVES ME CRITIQUE!!!! GIMME CRITIQUE!! WTFTW!!" I would like it and it would help me.
I get mad at you when you try to "help" me. Do you know why? You DON'T help me. All you do is pick at my errors and try to prove me wrong (Which you're doing now). Do you think you're better than me or something? You're always saying I'm rude, you're always butting your head into things that don't include you, YOU FUCK WITH MY CHARACTER DESIGNS, you throw the favors you do for me back in my face (don't do them if you're just looking for a one-up over me), and when I give YOU critique or actually try to help, you brush it off like my words mean nothing.
And you're not sorry, because you will continue to try and knock me down. The existance of your comment is over-all rude and offhand. The journal doesn't even pertain to you because you don't even comment on my art. And sure, it says "Everyone read" but if it has nothing to do with you, then by all means disreguard it. That's why no one else has said anything about it. Even the people who leave me FANTASTIC comments haven't said anything unless it's to relate. And everyone who apologized was forgiven, and as a matter of fact, I think it's really sweet that they actually spoke up to say they were sorry. You talk as if I kept yelling at them like "OMG!!! YOU SHOULD BE SORRY, YOU IDIOT!!! GIMME BETTER COMMENTS!!!" Seriously, no. And as you know, it's very disrespectiful to mouth off in something that doesn't apply to you.
You're rude.
We haven't spoken in like...a week after you started poking your ass into Enjou's designs and pissed me off, now you want to suddenly speak up and try to prove me wrong? And the best part about it is that you don't apologize for ANY of it. Ask anyone you want, YOU'RE wrong and I think you owe me yet another apology.
If not, just do me a big favor: shut up and fuck off
kthnxbai
ME:
...well 1st of all, how do u expect me to help you if I don’t pick out you errors ....that is usually how help comes along when an error is spotted, you fix it in the next one, so a simple “thanks I didn’t notice that ill fix it in the next one” would be nice from you, when I help you I point out what I like and say why I like it then I move one to the errors....WTH, how else can I help you, hmmm?
....and secondly your critique is the same as when I critique you, you point out my flaws, and if I feel that I need to work on it I DO, but only when I feel I need to work on it. So don’t go saying I brush off what you say.
Well what is a “fantastic” comment to you, explain that. Because none of my analysis comments seem to be what you’re looking for.... I keep me mouth shut HALF the time I see mistake in anatomy, only because I know that if I say what I mean you’ll take it wrong , just like you ALWAYS do when I comment on your pictures, and no I don’t think I’m better.
Enjou isn’t even in my story any more so don’t even bring that up.
....YOU should be the LAST person to say some one doesn’t apologize. I NEVER got one from you; I’m ALWAYS the one to apologize to you and in SICK of it. And I don’t own you an apology for any thing; I'm finally learning to speak my mind.
Her:
There's a difference between spotting errors and picking them out. You, my good sir, search for them. And it's obvious that you do, because even the people that give me the best critique don't spot those things right away. Half the time it's petty things that don't even matter. Ringo's sleeves sound familiar? Look through comments in my past pictures, there's plenty of critique in them (unless I'm thinking of Sheezy, but I get pretty good criticism on both sides without them sounding like pests). You want to make me sound like a brat who only sees the rainbows, but never stands out during the storm. ART isn't like that. LIFE isn't like that.
Read my journal, I specified what a good comment is. Fantastic comments are the ones that people actually take their time on. There are a few that actually write a full PARAGRAPH on what they like about the picture. All I ask is for a full sentence, that's it. But they go all out, and I think it's beautiful that they do. Those people really have no idea how much it means to me to have such long comments given to me. Those comments practically turn my whole day around if it's gone bad.
Also, keep doing what you've been doing. You know, mouth shut. Because (and I just HATE to sound like I'm bragging or on a high horse, because that makes ME look really bad. Plus I detest people like that, anyway) frankly, I draw better than you do.
You've just graduated high school and you want to act like you're some big-shot artist all of a sudden. Honey, you haven't even stepped foot in college for the first day of school yet, you're getting ahead of yourself.
Is it because you're older than I am, that you want to act like you have so much authority? I have a MUCH better sense of the human anatomy than you do. I study the world around me every day, and I always have since I was little. I've corrected my errors since my past pictures and I strive to keep improving myself. As I've told you, if you see errors in my art, it's because I've gotten too tired of trying to fix them, that I just left them. So yeah, keep it zipped.
I can bring it up all I want because you know you're wrong for sicking your grubby little hands into my brain work
You know why you never get one from me? Because YOU'RE the one that's always starting shit, not me. You KNOW it's a peeve of mine to be called rude because I'm ALWAYS thinking about how other people feel, their well being, ect. If I play around, at least all my friends aren't pansies about it and can take a joke. YOU'RE the one that started messing around my my character, YOU'RE the one that always wants to make me seem wrong, YOU'RE the one that always starts the fuckin' fight.
It's so nice that you've learned to speak your mind, but
1) You're doing it to the wrong person. Seriously, dude, pick your battles.
2) You're doing it for all the wrong reasons. There are like 8356273468976912 artists that have said the same thing about one-word comments. You've got alot of work ahead of you if you're going to "speak your mind" to all of them to. Alot of them happen to be very popular artists, too, so you'll have to be dealing with rabid fans. If not, then you're just trying to pick at me, and you'll be proving youself wrong.
Good luck!
Me:
Oh! And I suppose that is what makes you responses so wonderful, no? the page long ones like when your trying to defend you point...and BTW, I don’t SEARCH for them ...I spot them...and to be honest ..You DONT draw better then me, I've learned anatomy over the years, and have I’m proved greatly. I have real friends out side cyber space who critique my art, (two of them are in college, and can u guess for what ...that’s right Art) and anatomy. So don’t get a cocky, your anatomy is off, DEAL! On your profile of the human head, the foreheads stick out too far, the jaw bone is off all together, the chin to neck wrong, and the necks are a tab to thin and short. And I’m NOT acting like a big shot artist just because I can spot flaws in your work.... from what I’ve seen in your comments, on your art, on deviant, all your comments are telling you how nice it looks and you don’t have many critiquing comments, and if I do so happen to see one, your response is just explaining why your right. and another thing ....your the only one I see complaining about the one-word comments so why would I purposely go out of my way to complain to people I don’t even know?
Also I don’t care that you joke around with your other friends...you know how I act around certain types of “joking”. And its not cool ...
And if I wasn’t allow to do anything with him why did you let me have him ...can you explain that, I know I need a third member, but I also need to be able to work with him ...I’m sure you could have know that being a fellow artist.
Her:
I try to make conversations with my commenters. If you've looked so well through my comments, you'd see that. They aren't full on essays, but it's not about the replies, because I drew the original art. No one is obligated to comment on my art, I won't get mad if they stop commenting, but if they do comment, I expect it to be a good one.
Listen, just because my proof is online, DOESN'T mean I don't know people. You, again, are getting ahead of yourself. My cousin is a PROFESSIONAL painter, did I ever tell you that? She's given me advice COUNTLESS times and has even offered to teach me paint. My brother is like the God of my art world. He used to draw, himself, before he joined the Marines. He's bought me a few books on anatomy, wrinkles in clothes, and perspective (which doens't really help much, but the pictures are nice to reference from), my father also knows quite a few artists who also give me really good critique. Haven't seen them recently, though...I also have a few friends from my old school who help me out. Even though their styles are COMPLETELY different than mine, since they don't follow anime, they're pretty good. I wish they had dA pages, so I could show you. I told them about it a few times, maybe they'll join some day.
But that's getting off the point, now, isn't it? Is that ALL you have to say? Then my side profiles are flawed. Whoopdy-flippin'-doo.
Though, you shouldn't talk, Mr. I'm-So-Perfect-At-Drawing-I-Know-People-I'm-College-Bound.
You draw heads too small in most picture or you draw them too big, it's rare that you get them right. You draw feet too big, you draw hands too big, my oekaki coloring kicks your photoshop coloring's ass, your expressions...well, lack there of, are in need of some SERIOUS work, your poses are unoriginal, plain, and frankly...they bore me. Well, unless they're copied, but that's not really your work if their copied now is it? I mean, look at your most popular deviation, it's Tataki in a COPIED pose. Go figure. You draw breasts too low....Well, unless you're going for grandma's saggy barely-bust....Then go you.
Your necks are too long, your perspective is nothing to be spoken of, either is your style in clothing, you don't draw characters apropriately for their ages. (HOW many times have you drawn Ringo, Nani, and Tataki looking like their 20?) and your bodilly perspective of women is COMPLETELY off.
Women are feminine, delecate, petite. You draw woman like they're men with wonder-bras on and they just tuck their "stuff" away. Well, men with feminine faces....and long hair. Unless you're going for the cheap transvestite look; then, again, go you! So, don't tell me about "Chin to neck wrong" when you've got "Head to toe wrong"
What? Are you JEALOUS or something? I never said ALL my comments had critique in them, but I do get quite a few. I mean, tch, at least I don't have to BEG for comments. Plus, I get what I deserve. If everyone has lots of nice things to say, then of COURSE I appreciate that. I'm not putting guns to their heads and telling them to leave me sweet comments. They aren't my slaves and they act on their own will, you can't yell at me because they like my art.
And my response isn't explaining why I'm right. Ususally, I'll say something like "I know, I saw it, but I don't know how to fix it/I tried to fix it but..." Don't try to make me out to be "Wannabe-Ms. Perfect" because I know for a fact I'm far from it.
So, then you ARE just picking on me. I mean, you make it seem like your life's ambition to correct "rudeness", but it's clear that you just want to have some sort of edge on me. Sorry hun, I know how to defend myself in an arguement. Again, pick your battles. I mean, you're always butting into things that aren't your business even if you asked to keep out, it's like you go searching for trouble.
Excuse me? I never said you could HAVE him, just like I never let you have Bai or Tsurara, either. They're still mine, (or half mine, in Tsurara's case) and are featured in your story. You can make up your story with them in it, but don't go touching and messing with their designs without my consent. If they were copywritted, that'd be illegal. Plus, I don't do it to you. Moon is in my .hack//Legend story and I don't know messing around with her because I have respect and I know how to leave things to their creators. So no, I DON'T know what you're talking about as far as needing to fuck with other people's characters.
I also don't know what kind of jokes you're talking about either. You talk like I've made fun of you or something, my God.
Also, I'm not getting "a cocky" I just know what's correct and that you're stepping out of line and over stepping your bounderies....Once again.
Me:
Ok to start off this WILL be the LAST time I ever comment you on your page....: so take me off your watch list and I’ll to you off mine ...there no more problems :smile:
1.) I’m not this artist who think I'm perfect at art just because I can spot flaws in your art so don’t go and get ahead of YOURself
2.) Believe me there is more then just your side profiles: All your characters, no matter the age look like their 10. And your costumes do go with your character abilities ...take Ringo, perfect example ....if she where real. The weight from the speed and kunai would rip her sleeves clean off. And here hair would ALWAYS be frizzed cause it too long to take the force of the wind, witch would damage her hair. The long pieces cloth on the blue part, in the front and back would get tattered and caught around her legs.
3.) I AM working on redesigning all my Anthonia characters, to make all their costumes match there powers. So they won’t be in the way.
4.) I would hope you would be better then some one who just stared out in Photoshop, because I am still new to this.
5.) fighting women are NOT that feminine first of all then need a little mucle mass to help then get by ...and believe me that comment was COMPLETELY wrong ....I DO draw my women feminine.
6.) At lest more of my characters are original and NOT to some one else’s story. And just so happen to ALWAYS relate to the main character. I admit I have a god amount of fan characters, but my character with original stories out weight my Fan characters.
7.) I have No reason to be jealous of you in any way, shape or form.
8.) to conclude the Enjou thing, yes you said when you 1st let me use him and I quote “think of him as a gift just don’t change his costume design.” And I didn’t change it I made a temporary 2 year jump costume because you where taking too long, and you know I’m impatient......
9.) that is all “kthnxbai” <3
Her:
Well, for one thing, that's why it's called ANIME not LIVE ACTION or REALISM. Even though it's more realistic than most comic styles, it's still cartoony.
That's why their faces morph to show extreme comical emotion. Like, for instance Lee. He's a Taijutsu master, always working hard all the time. He should look like he's on steroids or something because his muscle mass clearly doesn't show his strength what-so-ever. Also, I'll point out, that in episode 30, when Sasuke fights the disguised Orochimaru, he uses Ryuka no Jutsu, a pwerful fire move that even burns a hole through the tree Orochimaru is tied too. That would mean that Orochimaru should've gotten severely burned. When Sasuke finished, The clothes weren't even burned off.
You're always dissing Ringo and picking at her. Get some new material, bud. You act like she runs every single second she's awake, she doesn't have more clothes, and she can't fix her own hair. And they don't all look like they're ten. If you're talking about the Naruto characters, then DUH they're twelve. There's age variety in my pictures, just because I draw mostly children doesn't give you the excuse to claim that they all look like children. So, open your eyes.
I don't care about your anthro story, so I won't even bother analyzing it.
I've never even touched Photoshop. And way to go back on your words, you told me you took a class on it, therefore you're not a newbie, you just suck at it. Just admit it to yourself.
Sakura, Ino, Hinata, Tsunade, Tenten, Temari, Xena, Joan of Arc, Athena, Black Rose, Subaru, Mimiru, B.T, Sango, Nami, Rei, Asuka, Kasumi/Misty, Chichi, Bulma, Bulla/Bra, Pan, Videl, woman matial artist, female personal trainers.....NONE of these woman look the way yours do. Masculine, with huge hands and feet, fat thighs, broad shoulders, and long ass necks. I'm a female myself, I would KNOW the anatomy of a woman. And like I said before, you're woman look like cheap trannies. Maybe you should study woman more...Or at least stop fooling yourself.
Look, I know you're only going by what you know about me, but you definatelly DON'T know about how many original characters I have. I mean, I surely don't. I made crappy Mary-Sue characters in the past for fun (which I will be killing off soon). I have multiple stories I'm planning with characters so far in-depth of the story lines, I'm planning out grand children. Just because I don't tell YOU about them, doesn't mean I don't have them. the main reason for that is because I don't want people copying my stories. You should know how protective I am of my brain work. Plus, making fan characters as good as mine where they're mistakened to actually be part of the actual story takes a shit load of hard work. So don't try to belittle me just because I have alot of fan characters. Plus, you shouldn't put so much faith into your anthro characters, that style of anthro is played out and ver UNoriginal. (being completely human with only a tail, some ears and maybe the feet different)
I don't remember ever saying such a thing and I never would, either. My brain work is MY brain work, I would never fully hand if over to anyone. Sure, on some characters, I'll let people have half credit, but only half. They will always still be mine. Enjou was mine even before I gave him a body. His purpose was to fight Ringo in the chuunin exams. Then I gave him a body (in which you gave me a crappy character design basis for), I named him Enjou, I named him HIBACHI Enjou, I gave him background info, I made his Jutsus, I made up his story, I made his personality. All you have provided was the design of that flame patch on his chest and a team. And now, he doesn't even have a team anymore.
I don't care how impatient you are. Grow up, learn to wait, and quit being such a controlling baby.
Oh yeah, and because of constance, I need to keep Nani and Tataki in my manga, sadly. So, the way the story's going to go is he stays in their team until after the chuunin exams. I'd like it that he'd be completely separated from your characters, but since they're already in the manga cheering him on, and i can't just scribble them out, they have to stay.
I don't really mind, actually. At least I can make them as beautiful as they should look.
And you're, yet again, getting ahead of yourself.
Ever find it funny how I've never seen your latest deviations? Well, now I can proudly say that you HAVE been off my watch list. You were only on my friends list because you were watching me
So, yeah, I'll completely remove you from my friends list and junk so we can go about our business.
Have fun lying to yourself!! n_n
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Please Guys, Gales and anything in between ...can i get your opinions on this im VERY interested in what you have to say. I dont even care if you say i was wrong.
i want feedback 
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